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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:27:00 -
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Your client has no house. We shall act as we see fit.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:33:00 -
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Roamer,
We have aggressed no-one.
Space belongs to no-one. We don't need to ask permission of anyone to go where we will.
We have no desire to impose anything on the locals of the area by military means or otherwise.
Indeed, the executor of BRUCE alliance welcomed us within a day of our arriving in a personal conversation with me.
So, I suggest you educate yourself on the true situation before presuming to speak for the locals. You slur them with your ignorant babble.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/12/2006 16:03:40
 Originally by: Roamer excertes
Have you asked BRUCE what they think about the war declaration against you? do they feel it is an appropraite response to youir aggression, or does your arrogance continue to let you ignore the local residents.
I have had a communication from BRUCE and they declare their neutrality in the matter of the war declaration and that is quite satisfactory.
There is no imposition on others by simply being present in an area.
We have carried out no aggressive acts against locals and have no wish to do so unless they take aggressive action against us.
The simple fact is that we hold that space itself is beyond claims. We are very happy to see people profitably use the bounty that space provides and have no designs on the operations of others. Our discussions with BRUCE are covered by diplomatic seal but it is my understanding their executor has no problem with our presence in the area.
As I said, educate yourself before presuming to speak for others.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/12/2006 16:21:05
Roamer, you are quite free to howl into the wind.
We are simply saying that we are exercising our freedom to discount your baseless rantings.
We listen to the true representatives of the locals, not some obvious and rather unconvincing agitator.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 16:47:00 -
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You're catching on.
Our principles rest on self-interest. We've never said anything else.
What you will refuse to understand but which I say to others who have open minds is that we see no contradiction between our self-interest and peaceful co-existence with others.
We operate a strict policy of never shooting neutrals. We do not need to set locals to blue because we will not shoot them. If they request standings clarifications we will happily consider them.
As for resources, we will talk to people about rational use of resources where it is necessary. In this case, it is not. The BRUCE executor knows this. You are ignorant and not privy to the facts so have no basis on which to make a judgement.
As for area defence pacts. We do not sign-up to them with anyone. We fight those who aggress us. We do not act for others.
Now, here are the facts:
The Star Fraction has moved assets into an areas of space that is open to all.
The Star Fraction is on cordial terms with the local BRUCE alliance and has no interest whatever in their operations.
The Star Fraction has been declared on by a mercenary corp hired to 'persuade' us to move out.
The Star Fraction will defend itself and whoever the client is will see that their act has achieved the precise opposite of the intention of the contract.
We are not the aggressors here and only the most stupendous manipulation of the facts and the most Orwellian use of language, which is to say an abuse of language for political ends, could say otherwise.
Your motives are not obscure. All can see you speak for the aggressors and no-one of even mind and temper will be fooled.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roamer excertes
1. You moved a military force and capitol ships into a populated area and started operations in that area to gain resources, without even bothering to say hello
2. Your Pilots in local channels TOLD the local inhabitants that you were moving in (an imposition of your presence by military force)
Most people with rational minds will see that points 1 and 2 are in direct contradiction to one another on the question of talking to the locals. This rather undercuts the logic of your argument.
As for the claim that simply being present in a system is an imposition on others by the use of military force: nonsense.
Did the locals oppose our presence? No. So what need to impose it? None.
As for the question of resources. What resources would those be? Do you know? The executor of BRUCE is aware we have no interest in the resources he was most concerned about.
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3. You made NO attempt (by your own admission earlier in this post) to ensure freindly relations with the local community until 24 hours AFTER you moved in.
I told you when the conversation took place. You cannot draw any conclusions from that as to any attempts at contact. I would point out that once again your point here is in some contradiction to your referencing our pilots talking to the locals.
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4. You have declared in this post that the rights of the individual to speak out against your actions will be ignored, and worse those speaking out will be hunted down .. because you have bigger guns, Not the act of fighters for freedom, buit the acts of bullies, more akin to the Pirate Coalition
This is straightforwardly a distortion and a lie.
Your right to speak as you will is in no way affected by our exercising the right to discount your rantings. We have not said at any point that you will be hunted down. We say this: if you yourself take direct action in space against us, we will fight back against you.
But have no fear. You are a coward and I doubt we will see your ship opening fire against us. So you will be quite safe from us.
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At least if you proclaim to hold certain principles you should attempt to uphold them, your actions so far and the repklies in this thread show clearly that your principles are not evn skin deep, brush the surface and they disappear into threats imposing your presence and, now discredited, ideals by use of force
Tell us which principles and ideals you think we are proclaiming? List them and how we have broken them. I have dismissed your claim, utterly nonsensical, that we are infringing your free speech. So please list the other principles you allege we have broken.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roamer excertes
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Roamer excertes you aren't listening. I think this lesson in Realpolitik is going to need to be taught you with hybrid cannons and flashy tech2 ships. There are people in new eden that you do not ask to bend their knee. You're about to meet some of them.
There in this post is all the proof you require, a direct threat to one who speaks against your actions...
Simply a statement that if you oppose us in space, that will be the response. I can tell you that if you show up and do not fire at us you will be left alone. Any SF pilot who fires on neutrals is disciplined - without exception.
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You say that you will uphold the right to free space for all. but space cannot be free if it is invaded by military forces of such magnitude the local inhabitants cannot resist.
The locals have shown no desire to 'resist'. We have absolutely no desire to impede the locals. We have no desire to see the locals leave. We have no desire to interfere with the operations of the locals. We say quite clearly that all locals who wish to remain neutral to us will be left alone to do as they please.
This is not military imposition. Anyone who says that it is demonstrates their agenda quite clearly: it is to push the line of those who have aggressed us.
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I have been informed by a 3rd party that Star Fraction in fact chose these systems to rest in after their recent conflict due to finding out via the Gallnet that the local major alliance does not operate capitol ships. and that a major part of this "Moving In " was to jump in a military force with capitol ships to ensure the local alliance was subdued with as little or no resistance, To quote my informant, "A show of Force to ensure compliance"
Ah. I wondered when a mysterious 'third party' who has some salacious intel would be conjured with.
Let me be clear: the above claim is a complete and utter lie.
Provide proof or be regarded as a charlatan and a liar by all those who understand how the game of politics is played.
You fool no-one, liar.
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A militaristic tactic worthy of the worst Caldari mega corporations... Subjugation of a community by overwhelming military might.
Leaving the local population entirely to their own affairs, guaranteeing that no neutrals will be fired on and clarifying certain matters in diplomatic conversations is hardly subjugation.
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faced with a number of capitol ships appearing on his doorstep and a military force showing up announced and proclaiming they are now living in the area, I have no doubt BRUCE CEO declares their neutrality, You gave him no other choice, he had a gun to his head !!
Simply another lie and one that impugns the BRUCE executor. Your mask of concern for the locals slips and all can see that you are willing to insult the independence of the BRUCE alliance to peddle your stupid lies.
The BRUCE executor has been nothing but a model of diplomacy making clear his own independence and concern for his people and we have respected that. You, clearly, do not respect it for you slur him and all other locals with your lies.
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